Interesting piece. Basically it boils down to , as one commenter said, "I was just following orders" and that is the problem. There was a time when people would question that which looked suspicious and call out BS when they saw it but generations of conditioning has purged most of society o0f this so that the majority will just "follow orders". AS long as you can create a system/structure that can be used as the excuse with enough conditioning you can get the vast majority to fall in line with the "just following orders" mentality despite the fact dozens were convicted not 100 years ago for "just following orders". This is how effective the removal of teaching actual history in public education has been; people are unware of the past and thus willing to repeat it.
Interesting action, with HHS as defendant. I first thought, "wtf?" until I read the complaint. Makes sense. Can't sue TwitBorg until we get 47 USC §230 repealed.... Good luck!
We must counter attack, in the Courts, our freedoms to decline risky drugs and/or injections. Our informed choices were being taken away by medical-science- political power group who were misrepresenting health advisory groups as a mandatory obey them as a mandating Authority.
Mark, question and it may be something you've previously covered and I missed it. Is there anything within the study of human psychology that addresses what I call group belief dominance? This is where an individuals publicly shared and even internally believed system of beliefs changes from when they are by themselves versus in a group setting? For example let's assume John Doe, a married man with 2 kids believes that the covid vaccine is not safe or effective and he questions masking and lockdowns. However if placed within a group of persons who he would otherwise associate himself with like a group based on religious beliefs or political affiliation his take on these changes to align with the perceived majority of the group. If the majority support the vaccine and masks but not lockdowns then he too changes his stance. He still doesn't believe lockdowns work but he's now supportive of masking and vaccine use and may not just say so outwardly but believe it internally?
As one not formally educated in human psychology and just a fan of books and observation of others behaviors it seems to me that covid has shown a light on the problem with humans being social creatures. Humans place their own self interests first and so much so that you can make vary reliable bets based on that. We also have a strong desire to be accepted by the group and will compromise ourselves in order to be accepted. If one doesn't support the various covid restrictions and solutions then one risks being not accepted by the group as long as the perceived group stance is to support these. It's not just that John Doe would lie and claim to be supportive like the group but he actually alters his internal beliefs to match, he wholly accepts the beliefs as if they were his own to begin with.
If so what is this called and what makes some of us different, unwilling to bend to group acceptance? I could understand why persons not comfortable in group settings could refuse to be sucked in but I am very much a people person having spent 5 years doing public speaking and training, traveling the US to spend time with many persons of various backgrounds and yet when this all started not once did I or my wife feel the need to conform to the group. As religious persons this was no easy thing to do, butting heads with our churches leadership and still we never gave in.
What is it that makes some resistant to group pressure and acceptance?
This is indeed the main focus of FreeX. Some just keep quiet, but the larger problem is that many come to actually believe, and that’s due to the nature of the network they’re part of. Under normal circumstances, reputation networks find their way toward the truth, but they can go wrong, and when they do, they create narratives that tend to get fixed (with features like blockchains). One of too many on this topic is…https://www.getrevue.co/profile/markchangizi/issues/who-was-immune-to-covid-hysteria-not-scott-adams-341539?via=twitter-card-webview
"Don’t build any complex tools, unless you really have to. Typically, by the time you build the fancy beast to help you do X, you’ve burned through much more time than it would have taken to just do X the slow way."
From you "7 Requirements of all effective scientists" piece. This applies not only to building something but deciding how to approach something, how to fix a problem when multiple options are available. In order to fix problem A I can use known/existing fix that is going to take approximately 8 hours or do I invest time into learning about a new fancy/complex feature in Excel that could once understood, allow me to solve problem A in a few hours? There's no guarantee it will, it just looks like it might could.
Do I go with the known or risk the unknown? I deal with this often.
I suspect they filed in Columbus because Ms. Younes may have reason to believe the judge will be open to hearing your arguments. It's useless to file before, say, a judge in Mr Senger's district. (I've been following Robert Barnes on these legal strategies.) Good luck and I hope you prevail! (followed you on Twitter off & on throughout the COVID drama, partly because I live near Columbus and directed to you & others - Kevin McKernan et al. - by That Bad Cat who can't be named)
A potentially very important case. Hip hip hooray to you.
Good luck! https://openjusticecourtofprotection.org/2022/02/04/cross-examining-a-gp-in-a-covid-vaccination-hearing/
Interesting piece. Basically it boils down to , as one commenter said, "I was just following orders" and that is the problem. There was a time when people would question that which looked suspicious and call out BS when they saw it but generations of conditioning has purged most of society o0f this so that the majority will just "follow orders". AS long as you can create a system/structure that can be used as the excuse with enough conditioning you can get the vast majority to fall in line with the "just following orders" mentality despite the fact dozens were convicted not 100 years ago for "just following orders". This is how effective the removal of teaching actual history in public education has been; people are unware of the past and thus willing to repeat it.
Interesting action, with HHS as defendant. I first thought, "wtf?" until I read the complaint. Makes sense. Can't sue TwitBorg until we get 47 USC §230 repealed.... Good luck!
Bless your hearts.
Good for you.
We must counter attack, in the Courts, our freedoms to decline risky drugs and/or injections. Our informed choices were being taken away by medical-science- political power group who were misrepresenting health advisory groups as a mandatory obey them as a mandating Authority.
Mark, question and it may be something you've previously covered and I missed it. Is there anything within the study of human psychology that addresses what I call group belief dominance? This is where an individuals publicly shared and even internally believed system of beliefs changes from when they are by themselves versus in a group setting? For example let's assume John Doe, a married man with 2 kids believes that the covid vaccine is not safe or effective and he questions masking and lockdowns. However if placed within a group of persons who he would otherwise associate himself with like a group based on religious beliefs or political affiliation his take on these changes to align with the perceived majority of the group. If the majority support the vaccine and masks but not lockdowns then he too changes his stance. He still doesn't believe lockdowns work but he's now supportive of masking and vaccine use and may not just say so outwardly but believe it internally?
As one not formally educated in human psychology and just a fan of books and observation of others behaviors it seems to me that covid has shown a light on the problem with humans being social creatures. Humans place their own self interests first and so much so that you can make vary reliable bets based on that. We also have a strong desire to be accepted by the group and will compromise ourselves in order to be accepted. If one doesn't support the various covid restrictions and solutions then one risks being not accepted by the group as long as the perceived group stance is to support these. It's not just that John Doe would lie and claim to be supportive like the group but he actually alters his internal beliefs to match, he wholly accepts the beliefs as if they were his own to begin with.
If so what is this called and what makes some of us different, unwilling to bend to group acceptance? I could understand why persons not comfortable in group settings could refuse to be sucked in but I am very much a people person having spent 5 years doing public speaking and training, traveling the US to spend time with many persons of various backgrounds and yet when this all started not once did I or my wife feel the need to conform to the group. As religious persons this was no easy thing to do, butting heads with our churches leadership and still we never gave in.
What is it that makes some resistant to group pressure and acceptance?
Thanks
This is indeed the main focus of FreeX. Some just keep quiet, but the larger problem is that many come to actually believe, and that’s due to the nature of the network they’re part of. Under normal circumstances, reputation networks find their way toward the truth, but they can go wrong, and when they do, they create narratives that tend to get fixed (with features like blockchains). One of too many on this topic is…https://www.getrevue.co/profile/markchangizi/issues/who-was-immune-to-covid-hysteria-not-scott-adams-341539?via=twitter-card-webview
"Don’t build any complex tools, unless you really have to. Typically, by the time you build the fancy beast to help you do X, you’ve burned through much more time than it would have taken to just do X the slow way."
From you "7 Requirements of all effective scientists" piece. This applies not only to building something but deciding how to approach something, how to fix a problem when multiple options are available. In order to fix problem A I can use known/existing fix that is going to take approximately 8 hours or do I invest time into learning about a new fancy/complex feature in Excel that could once understood, allow me to solve problem A in a few hours? There's no guarantee it will, it just looks like it might could.
Do I go with the known or risk the unknown? I deal with this often.
Thank you.,
I can't believe Adams blocked you. I don't care who you are if you block someone for anything other than threats than in my mind your a coward
Mark - Be sure to check out the item that @neil Burrows linked ( https://openjusticecourtofprotection.org/2022/02/04/cross-examining-a-gp-in-a-covid-vaccination-hearing/ ) its a very interesting read.
GOOD! Damn gvernment needs some judicial level bisch slapping. I know that very street level vulgarity but its true.
I suspect they filed in Columbus because Ms. Younes may have reason to believe the judge will be open to hearing your arguments. It's useless to file before, say, a judge in Mr Senger's district. (I've been following Robert Barnes on these legal strategies.) Good luck and I hope you prevail! (followed you on Twitter off & on throughout the COVID drama, partly because I live near Columbus and directed to you & others - Kevin McKernan et al. - by That Bad Cat who can't be named)
Good luck!