I think your take is too simplistic and in fact you seem to be the one purposefully missing the point.
There are trails of evidence showing that vaccine passports were planned before 2020. Also tevidence showing that the idea of lockdowns were not merely the hysterical reaction you claim but were gamed out. Look at the lockdown implemented in 2013 in Boston or the one in Africa for Ebola which was also promoted on Twitter by bots.
Do powerful people influence politicians? Yes and this is not a conspiracy. I think you're imagining people picturing a small evil cabal in charge of everything but I don't think anyone even suggests something akin to this scenario. However, there are people who stand to gain quite a bit of money from certain situations. They can either help bring those situations about via their influence or wait until a situation occurs and when it does, use their influence to manipulate events to better profit from it. Even Eric Holder said words to the effect, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
For instance, perhaps have bots spam Twitter showing how horrible the situation in Wuhan is or to promote the idea of lockdowns with faulty modeling and claims of success in China. These aren't conspiracy theories. We actually saw these events happen and that wouldn't be driven by hysteria but by intent to push an agenda.
You've previously mentioned the driver with the mask. Obviously the person is in a hysterical state. No one suggested that this person is being puppeteered to wear a mask alone in the car. You argue that no one put him there but himself. That's rather naive as what actually put him there was the fear porn he was continually exposed to and that was driven by media beholden to advertisers, politicians beholden to powerful interests and whoever promoted Ferguson's model rather than Michael Levitt's. Really not hard to fathom that powerful interests will use their influence to better their circumstances. Happens all the time.
Mark - if you had billions in resources, as wealthy as someone like Elon Musk are you honestly going to say you would not try and use that wealth to make the world a better place?
I say this with the utmost respect, Mark, but it's starting to feel like you're beating a dead horse here.
We get it. There is no deliberate conspiracy, no shadowy cabal, no puppeteers. No evil, no malicious intent. Nothing to see here at all. Just grinding misery and tyranny with no one to blame but ourselves, but only sort of.
I feel like you've been making this single point for a little while now without really adding anything new to it other than clearly trying to make the "witches" meme stick through repetition. It's starting to feel a little like "methinks the lady doth protest too much."
Does this go anywhere from here? OK, there are no ringleaders or bad guys. What now?
The Lockdowners think we’re all beating a dead horse, but they still don’t get it, and so we won’t stop.
And the “puppeteer” faction of the anti-Lockdowners also still don’t get it. So I will continue pushing on that in different ways as well.
Because, even in your comment you have it wrong. There ARE bad guys. They’re all over the place. For you to suggest that I’m claiming there’s no bad guys is a confusion. Just because they didn’t purposely initiate mass hysteria doesn’t mean they’re not bad guys. The bad guys are always the ones IN the hysteria.
To be clear, when you say "the bad guys are always the ones IN the hysteria," you're asserting that absolutely no one in power looked at the situation and said "we have emergency powers and people are scared and not thinking clearly, let's leverage this to our tremendous lasting gain?"
Also- as one admittedly far less influential psychologist to another- if you keep saying something and no one is understanding it, you eventually have to blame the signal. I don't seem to be the only one misunderstanding you as saying "there are no evil people, only temporarily mentally unbalanced people" in your community. Maybe it's time for a little more explanation and clarity of the nuance to go with all the "stop blaming witches."
On how many groups — post hysteria — were themselves outside of the hysteria and schemed to exploit it, unsure. Surely a mix of exploiters and “helpers,” and some they melded both. But I believe the lion share believed in the cause. AND THEY’RE CULPABLE FOR THEY’RE ACTIONS.
I fundamentally agree with your thesis in that I do not believe a global calamity was deliberately engineered by a careful conspiracy. But I think we differ tremendously on the number of "exploiters." Beyond certain levels of hierarchy in government and other power structures- given the breadth of uncensored raw data available to them and preexisting agendas- I think the "exploiters" were in the majority. How prolific they are in "middle management" and below is debatable but probably not as important.
For all I know, Amazon’s Bezos was not in the hysteria, but pretended to be and grew the company prolifically to leverage the situation. Then again, we hardly expect such vacuums NOT to get filled.
I think that's a pretty safe assumption regarding Bezos. And, while cynical, your statement that "we hardly expect such vacuums NOT to get filled" is pretty difficult to argue.
The problem with leaving it there is that Bezos and his ilk aren't simply exploiting vacuums, they're leveraging tremendous explicit and implicit lobbying power on government and media to ensure those vacuums continue and are as large as possible. There are plenty of examples of this in the intersector realm too (healthcare, primary and higher education, etc.).
This is where my point is that defining something as a "manufactured crisis" gets blurry.
One thing your previous topics- especially the series of discussions on the "cooties" model- didn't seem to address was examples of hypocrisy- the large number of elites "caught" deliberately disobeying their own NPI mandates such as masking and stay-at-home orders. Every time I saw the latest shaming of a politician or celebrity maskless at a party or restaurant, my conclusion was this person was clearly aware there was no real risk and had no real fear. Viewed through that lens, it would seem there were PLENTY of people who knew exactly what they were doing, and were demanding compliance and obedience for their own sake, knowing full well it was about consolidating authority and not about efficacy of interventions.
The "puppeteers" are themselves telling you that they are controlling things. Here's Tony Blair https://nitter.it/InstituteGC/status/1259075645595725824 explaining way back in May 2020 how his teams were embedded in the governments of more than 20 countries and that he's been influential in others including Africa. Tony Blair is a deeply unpopular ex-politician in the UK; there's no real equivalent in the US, he has no fans outside a small political class, and yet here he is, unelected, with his team embedded in the UK government and in many others.
I don't know what it would take to falsify your viewpoint!
That there are powerful top down forces (do you think I actually deny that?!) in no way argues that they’re able to reliably initiate collective hysteria.
The marketing doesn't always work, that is true and to be expected. Climate change is still low on most people's priorities, despite decades of propaganda. Monkeypox fell flat, perhaps partly because of the name, which they are looking at changing. Occasionally even war propaganda flops (Vietnam, Iraq 2). But it is pretty reliable, I'm seeing it daily on issue after issue where the people who get their ideas from the TV repeat the lines that the billionaires want. Here in the UK we had a week or two of nice summer weather recently, the kind that many people in the UK will travel to southern France or Spain for. The TV showed weather maps in dark red, a couple of temperature records were reported broken near busy airport runways, and the billionaire- and government-sponsored media talked of deadly heatwaves. We've had similar weather in the past (most summers in fact) without hysteria, but this year people were going on about the terrible heat. That looks to me like a causative relationship. Likewise the hysteria over Ukraine but not over Yemen; people's attention is being directed by the controlled media.
This is how "mostly well-meaning" metastasizes into great evil. Were not the notorious leaders of the Third Reich evil puppeteers controlling the masses, believing they were all doing good? Propagandists like Goebbels (mainstream media and entertainment), Medical butchers like Mengele (doctors), Jurists like Rothaug, willing and Schlegelberger, unwitting (judges), Gestapo (FBI), the businessmen atop the corporations like Big Tech, consumer products and industry, Big Pharma, government bureaucrats. All of these were prosecuted at the Subsequent Trials at Nuremberg. Were none of them evil puppeteers? Should none of them have been prosecuted?
There is a much larger point that too many are missing, I believe even you, Mark. These are not ordinary times that people are just being caught up in an undirected, independent flow. You must watch this movie, Judgement at Nuremberg. You and every single jurist, corporate officer and medical professional must watch this film. Everyone must watch this film. Because this is where the United States of America is headed today. And how judges, businessmen and doctors will be judged for their actions today. Regardless of your party affiliation, if you're leading the efforts or "just following orders."
This movie is about how ordinary people, believing they were doing good, were able to do terrible things to the people and communities around them. Led by evil puppeteers. who know what they are doing, who believe like Stalin believed, "Sometimes you must break a few eggs to make an omelette." By eggs he was referring to skulls. Believing as Stalin again, "One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic."
There is no excuse to not learn from history. Especially when it is laid out before us as this film does. Willful ignorance will not shield us from the judgement of man one day, and the judgement of God for eternity.
Watch this. Everyone must watch this today or tonight when you get home. To fully wake up to the true peril we all are in.
"Now we're down to the business of judging doctors, businessmen and the judges." (7:01 timestamp)
Judgement at Nuremberg (1961) (3 hours running time)
(Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Judy Garland, Marlene Dietrich, William Shatner)
“All of these were prosecuted at the Subsequent Trials at Nuremberg. Were none of them evil puppeteers? Should none of them have been prosecuted?”
Of course they should be prosecuted. And, no, they weren’t puppeteers in the sense I have been using it: folks sitting outside the collective hysteria, who set out to cause it. They were themselves drinking the KoolAid, and justifying their actions based on their new righteous notions of the good. Puppeteers is the sense I have been using it would be to look for some OTHER outside influence that made Hitler do it; maybe the military industrial complex at the time — THEY were the ones who did this! No. Hitler wasn’t an external puppeteer, but instead himself was swept in within the broader collective movement. https://youtu.be/HHW_es7ulFg
And after watching your video I understand your point. Which doesn't diverge from my presentation of the Subsequent Nuremberg trials, in fact it's confirmational. The Subsequent trials, including the three-hour movie "Judgment at Nuremberg" is expressly about how what you describe in your video metastasizes into great evil. It is our local leadership, bureaucrats, business owners, neighbors who become swept up in the mass delusion of a doing collective good become the biggest threats to us of all, who perpetrate the amount of evil on an up close and personal level.
The puppeteers atop this know that when they pull strings in a certain direction the effect it will have. Because they have studied this subject in great detail. They have a scientific field, Social and Behavioral science, have stood up entire bureaucracies in Behavioral Health to impact the minds of the populace. Using The Science (TM). Because it is a science, they know what types of manipulations of perspectives of the masses will result in what type of outcomes.
They won't know the specific names, dates or actions. But they know human nature, and that those will all get filled in, following the algorithms they've studied to fine details of understanding. Using tools like social media to analyze human behavior and relationships responding to stimuli and comparing them to past experiments, like in Germany, The Soviet Union and China. They know they can make people do evil things telling them it's for a collective greater good.
Oh, I understand that distinction you're making. The folks outside who set out to cause all of it, knowing the psychology of man will do all it is doing, people with their inherent weaknesses, greed, ego, avarice, envy, lust, etc, will step into the same roles that people stepped into in Germany. With the same populace trusting and being swept into collective hysteria's harming one another for a shaped perspective of collective good. By behaviorists who know how to shape perspectives with the the science of psychological manipulation (propaganda). It is quite effective.
Maybe it's important to know that the same people who were the OTHER outside influece that made Hitler do it, like the military industrial complex at the time, were also on this side of the Atlantic? Maybe it was the same people funding Hitler's war effort and societal-reshaping extermination efforts who were funding the Allied, US+UK war effort? And who went on to gain great power in this nation hiding in plain sight? Including two presidencies, UN Ambassadorships, CIA leadership, international banking and industrial conglomorates? Maybe conspiracies aren't looking like conspiracies anymore?
How Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's Rise to Power
I'm old enough to remember seeing G Edward Griffin and this entire presentation of information I've made here as a wacko conspiracy nutter stuff not long ago. Now, I'm not so sure of that. Puppeteers?
Sounds like a "point" made by a disgusting person who doesn't understand what YouTube is, and tries to get monetized to earn chump change for videos which purport to dissent, while actually staying well within establishment narratives. What a disgusting creature.
I think your take is too simplistic and in fact you seem to be the one purposefully missing the point.
There are trails of evidence showing that vaccine passports were planned before 2020. Also tevidence showing that the idea of lockdowns were not merely the hysterical reaction you claim but were gamed out. Look at the lockdown implemented in 2013 in Boston or the one in Africa for Ebola which was also promoted on Twitter by bots.
Do powerful people influence politicians? Yes and this is not a conspiracy. I think you're imagining people picturing a small evil cabal in charge of everything but I don't think anyone even suggests something akin to this scenario. However, there are people who stand to gain quite a bit of money from certain situations. They can either help bring those situations about via their influence or wait until a situation occurs and when it does, use their influence to manipulate events to better profit from it. Even Eric Holder said words to the effect, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
For instance, perhaps have bots spam Twitter showing how horrible the situation in Wuhan is or to promote the idea of lockdowns with faulty modeling and claims of success in China. These aren't conspiracy theories. We actually saw these events happen and that wouldn't be driven by hysteria but by intent to push an agenda.
You've previously mentioned the driver with the mask. Obviously the person is in a hysterical state. No one suggested that this person is being puppeteered to wear a mask alone in the car. You argue that no one put him there but himself. That's rather naive as what actually put him there was the fear porn he was continually exposed to and that was driven by media beholden to advertisers, politicians beholden to powerful interests and whoever promoted Ferguson's model rather than Michael Levitt's. Really not hard to fathom that powerful interests will use their influence to better their circumstances. Happens all the time.
Mark - if you had billions in resources, as wealthy as someone like Elon Musk are you honestly going to say you would not try and use that wealth to make the world a better place?
I say this with the utmost respect, Mark, but it's starting to feel like you're beating a dead horse here.
We get it. There is no deliberate conspiracy, no shadowy cabal, no puppeteers. No evil, no malicious intent. Nothing to see here at all. Just grinding misery and tyranny with no one to blame but ourselves, but only sort of.
I feel like you've been making this single point for a little while now without really adding anything new to it other than clearly trying to make the "witches" meme stick through repetition. It's starting to feel a little like "methinks the lady doth protest too much."
Does this go anywhere from here? OK, there are no ringleaders or bad guys. What now?
The Lockdowners think we’re all beating a dead horse, but they still don’t get it, and so we won’t stop.
And the “puppeteer” faction of the anti-Lockdowners also still don’t get it. So I will continue pushing on that in different ways as well.
Because, even in your comment you have it wrong. There ARE bad guys. They’re all over the place. For you to suggest that I’m claiming there’s no bad guys is a confusion. Just because they didn’t purposely initiate mass hysteria doesn’t mean they’re not bad guys. The bad guys are always the ones IN the hysteria.
To be clear, when you say "the bad guys are always the ones IN the hysteria," you're asserting that absolutely no one in power looked at the situation and said "we have emergency powers and people are scared and not thinking clearly, let's leverage this to our tremendous lasting gain?"
Also- as one admittedly far less influential psychologist to another- if you keep saying something and no one is understanding it, you eventually have to blame the signal. I don't seem to be the only one misunderstanding you as saying "there are no evil people, only temporarily mentally unbalanced people" in your community. Maybe it's time for a little more explanation and clarity of the nuance to go with all the "stop blaming witches."
I have half a dozen videos making that point. Most recent was last week: https://youtu.be/PKXjYUrNvec
On how many groups — post hysteria — were themselves outside of the hysteria and schemed to exploit it, unsure. Surely a mix of exploiters and “helpers,” and some they melded both. But I believe the lion share believed in the cause. AND THEY’RE CULPABLE FOR THEY’RE ACTIONS.
I fundamentally agree with your thesis in that I do not believe a global calamity was deliberately engineered by a careful conspiracy. But I think we differ tremendously on the number of "exploiters." Beyond certain levels of hierarchy in government and other power structures- given the breadth of uncensored raw data available to them and preexisting agendas- I think the "exploiters" were in the majority. How prolific they are in "middle management" and below is debatable but probably not as important.
For all I know, Amazon’s Bezos was not in the hysteria, but pretended to be and grew the company prolifically to leverage the situation. Then again, we hardly expect such vacuums NOT to get filled.
I think that's a pretty safe assumption regarding Bezos. And, while cynical, your statement that "we hardly expect such vacuums NOT to get filled" is pretty difficult to argue.
The problem with leaving it there is that Bezos and his ilk aren't simply exploiting vacuums, they're leveraging tremendous explicit and implicit lobbying power on government and media to ensure those vacuums continue and are as large as possible. There are plenty of examples of this in the intersector realm too (healthcare, primary and higher education, etc.).
This is where my point is that defining something as a "manufactured crisis" gets blurry.
One thing your previous topics- especially the series of discussions on the "cooties" model- didn't seem to address was examples of hypocrisy- the large number of elites "caught" deliberately disobeying their own NPI mandates such as masking and stay-at-home orders. Every time I saw the latest shaming of a politician or celebrity maskless at a party or restaurant, my conclusion was this person was clearly aware there was no real risk and had no real fear. Viewed through that lens, it would seem there were PLENTY of people who knew exactly what they were doing, and were demanding compliance and obedience for their own sake, knowing full well it was about consolidating authority and not about efficacy of interventions.
The "puppeteers" are themselves telling you that they are controlling things. Here's Tony Blair https://nitter.it/InstituteGC/status/1259075645595725824 explaining way back in May 2020 how his teams were embedded in the governments of more than 20 countries and that he's been influential in others including Africa. Tony Blair is a deeply unpopular ex-politician in the UK; there's no real equivalent in the US, he has no fans outside a small political class, and yet here he is, unelected, with his team embedded in the UK government and in many others.
I don't know what it would take to falsify your viewpoint!
That there are powerful top down forces (do you think I actually deny that?!) in no way argues that they’re able to reliably initiate collective hysteria.
The marketing doesn't always work, that is true and to be expected. Climate change is still low on most people's priorities, despite decades of propaganda. Monkeypox fell flat, perhaps partly because of the name, which they are looking at changing. Occasionally even war propaganda flops (Vietnam, Iraq 2). But it is pretty reliable, I'm seeing it daily on issue after issue where the people who get their ideas from the TV repeat the lines that the billionaires want. Here in the UK we had a week or two of nice summer weather recently, the kind that many people in the UK will travel to southern France or Spain for. The TV showed weather maps in dark red, a couple of temperature records were reported broken near busy airport runways, and the billionaire- and government-sponsored media talked of deadly heatwaves. We've had similar weather in the past (most summers in fact) without hysteria, but this year people were going on about the terrible heat. That looks to me like a causative relationship. Likewise the hysteria over Ukraine but not over Yemen; people's attention is being directed by the controlled media.
This is how "mostly well-meaning" metastasizes into great evil. Were not the notorious leaders of the Third Reich evil puppeteers controlling the masses, believing they were all doing good? Propagandists like Goebbels (mainstream media and entertainment), Medical butchers like Mengele (doctors), Jurists like Rothaug, willing and Schlegelberger, unwitting (judges), Gestapo (FBI), the businessmen atop the corporations like Big Tech, consumer products and industry, Big Pharma, government bureaucrats. All of these were prosecuted at the Subsequent Trials at Nuremberg. Were none of them evil puppeteers? Should none of them have been prosecuted?
There is a much larger point that too many are missing, I believe even you, Mark. These are not ordinary times that people are just being caught up in an undirected, independent flow. You must watch this movie, Judgement at Nuremberg. You and every single jurist, corporate officer and medical professional must watch this film. Everyone must watch this film. Because this is where the United States of America is headed today. And how judges, businessmen and doctors will be judged for their actions today. Regardless of your party affiliation, if you're leading the efforts or "just following orders."
This movie is about how ordinary people, believing they were doing good, were able to do terrible things to the people and communities around them. Led by evil puppeteers. who know what they are doing, who believe like Stalin believed, "Sometimes you must break a few eggs to make an omelette." By eggs he was referring to skulls. Believing as Stalin again, "One death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic."
There is no excuse to not learn from history. Especially when it is laid out before us as this film does. Willful ignorance will not shield us from the judgement of man one day, and the judgement of God for eternity.
Watch this. Everyone must watch this today or tonight when you get home. To fully wake up to the true peril we all are in.
"Now we're down to the business of judging doctors, businessmen and the judges." (7:01 timestamp)
Judgement at Nuremberg (1961) (3 hours running time)
(Spencer Tracey, Burt Lancaster, Judy Garland, Marlene Dietrich, William Shatner)
https://archive.org/details/movie-judgment-at-nuremberg-1961
The Justice (or Judges) Case (the basis of the movie above):
https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1991-alstoetter
The Doctors (or Medical) Case:
https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1903-doctortrial
The Subsequent Nuremberg Trials: An Overview:
https://famous-trials.com/nuremberg/1908-overview
including:
The Flick Case (Industrialists)
The I. G. Farben Case (Big Pharma)
The Krupp Case (Industrialists)
The Ministries Case (Government Bureaucrats)
“All of these were prosecuted at the Subsequent Trials at Nuremberg. Were none of them evil puppeteers? Should none of them have been prosecuted?”
Of course they should be prosecuted. And, no, they weren’t puppeteers in the sense I have been using it: folks sitting outside the collective hysteria, who set out to cause it. They were themselves drinking the KoolAid, and justifying their actions based on their new righteous notions of the good. Puppeteers is the sense I have been using it would be to look for some OTHER outside influence that made Hitler do it; maybe the military industrial complex at the time — THEY were the ones who did this! No. Hitler wasn’t an external puppeteer, but instead himself was swept in within the broader collective movement. https://youtu.be/HHW_es7ulFg
And after watching your video I understand your point. Which doesn't diverge from my presentation of the Subsequent Nuremberg trials, in fact it's confirmational. The Subsequent trials, including the three-hour movie "Judgment at Nuremberg" is expressly about how what you describe in your video metastasizes into great evil. It is our local leadership, bureaucrats, business owners, neighbors who become swept up in the mass delusion of a doing collective good become the biggest threats to us of all, who perpetrate the amount of evil on an up close and personal level.
The puppeteers atop this know that when they pull strings in a certain direction the effect it will have. Because they have studied this subject in great detail. They have a scientific field, Social and Behavioral science, have stood up entire bureaucracies in Behavioral Health to impact the minds of the populace. Using The Science (TM). Because it is a science, they know what types of manipulations of perspectives of the masses will result in what type of outcomes.
They won't know the specific names, dates or actions. But they know human nature, and that those will all get filled in, following the algorithms they've studied to fine details of understanding. Using tools like social media to analyze human behavior and relationships responding to stimuli and comparing them to past experiments, like in Germany, The Soviet Union and China. They know they can make people do evil things telling them it's for a collective greater good.
Oh, I understand that distinction you're making. The folks outside who set out to cause all of it, knowing the psychology of man will do all it is doing, people with their inherent weaknesses, greed, ego, avarice, envy, lust, etc, will step into the same roles that people stepped into in Germany. With the same populace trusting and being swept into collective hysteria's harming one another for a shaped perspective of collective good. By behaviorists who know how to shape perspectives with the the science of psychological manipulation (propaganda). It is quite effective.
Maybe it's important to know that the same people who were the OTHER outside influece that made Hitler do it, like the military industrial complex at the time, were also on this side of the Atlantic? Maybe it was the same people funding Hitler's war effort and societal-reshaping extermination efforts who were funding the Allied, US+UK war effort? And who went on to gain great power in this nation hiding in plain sight? Including two presidencies, UN Ambassadorships, CIA leadership, international banking and industrial conglomorates? Maybe conspiracies aren't looking like conspiracies anymore?
How Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's Rise to Power
UK The Guardian, September 25, 2004
www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
American Supporters of the European Fascists
www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm
America and a New World Order
by Graeme K. Howard - VP of General Motors, 1940
www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/america_new_world_order.htm
The Bush Family Crime History | Prescott Bush Helped Nazis, Kennedy Assassination, Vietnam, Reagan Assassination Attempt, and more
stillnessinthestorm.com/2016/02/the-bush-crime-family-history-presco/
Bush Family New World Order
archive.ph/G7Ked
The Capitalist Conspiracy (film- Wiki biased review)
G Edward Griffin, 1969
web.archive.org/web/20131209102036/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Capitalist_Conspiracy
America: Freedom to Fascism (film- Wiki biased review)
Aaron Russo, 2006
archive.ph/8O8bD
I'm old enough to remember seeing G Edward Griffin and this entire presentation of information I've made here as a wacko conspiracy nutter stuff not long ago. Now, I'm not so sure of that. Puppeteers?
Sounds like a "point" made by a disgusting person who doesn't understand what YouTube is, and tries to get monetized to earn chump change for videos which purport to dissent, while actually staying well within establishment narratives. What a disgusting creature.