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David B's avatar

You are spot on. I wrote a similar post a couple of months ago. You either own your body or you don't. So even if the vaccines were 100% safe and effective, it would still be unethical to mandate them.

https://livebetternow.substack.com/p/lbn-position-vaccine-mandates?r=kg9gc&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct

The Wiltster's avatar

Doc, as usual, you are swinging for the fence and getting "good wood," if you will excuse a baseball metaphor. Early on, despite my staunchly libertarian ethic, I too got caught-up in using the "argument from effect" and relying upon data. This was always about ethics! I do not give a rat's ass about the efficacy of the vaccine. Hell, whether lock-downs work is irrelevant. Deciding for someone else in a case like this is *always* outside the parameters of your rights as a human being, just like mine. Period.

Stuffysays's avatar

For me it has always been a "common sense" stance based on Enlightenment values. Wear a mask if you want - wear a hat or a false moustache - I don't care. Don't try insisting I do the same. Put what you want into your body - safe or dangerous, so long as you know the risks it's your choice. Don't try imposing it on others. I am a free person. Born free into a free world. My life, my choices. I refuse to acknowledge any "authority" which tries to tell me who I can see, when I can go out, what I can do & when, what medical treatments I must have, whether I can work or not. Nobody gave me my freedom. Nobody can take it away. Amazed that so many people don't know that.

Duchess's avatar

Am re-reading this about a week later. Mark, this is even more brilliant than I grasped at first, and I did think it was brilliant then. Keeping. Thank you for writing this, thank you for fighting this, and thank you for grasping this from the first, and walking the walk.