i dont think it will work for most people. there is too much anger. they did everything right. played by the rules. and now? reminds me of Sadaam and WMD. i knew 1 person , ONE, who owned his mistake in falling for that lie.
You and I would have fallen into it if we sat where they sat within the network. Never think otherwise.
i dont know that i agree with that. some people are just contrarian. since i was a young'un i didnt follow the herd. i was difficult and logical from a very young age. i read somewhere that about 20% of the population cant be hypnotised and i think that seems to add up with what we saw, maybe nearer 30%
In the case of your general claim throughout your analysis of the (post March 2020) mass formation and your related claims about the Hitler + Stalin + Mao etc. mass formations, I submit that you've accepted a false premise: that Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. arose spontaneously and were not golems created by conscious, psychopathic players who operate behind the scenes.
It took more than a year, but the analysis of the origins of the Hitlerian mass formation by Miles Mathis http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf eventually persuaded me that we are dealing with some master manipulators here, and that we won't respond appropriately unless we have an accurate map.
I do agree with you that most of the players are blinded by the network that surrounds them, unconscious of the deeper context within which the Narrative is embedded. Hitler may not even have known. He may have been a useful idiot. (Or maybe he and his entourage were actors, as Miles Mathis hypothesizes).
Those who installed Hitler and who's plans were advanced by the deeds attributed to Hitler are an elephant in the room, no?
On the other hand... "moral panic" isn't a novel concept, and faulting opponents for engaging in it isn't new. Covid hysterics tend to be into other trendy demons and hobgoblins ("system racism" etc.). The reiteration of that pattern of behavior in different, unrelated contexts surely makes the criticism more credible, not less so.
After coming across the proposal of mass formation I asked myself what if that is what I and the side I am on are subject to, our own mass formation. I don't believe that we are but that is what I can see people on the other side would say and may be telling each other already, that we are the deluded ones.
I would argue there have been plenty of mass delusions and this isn't anything new. Using politics as an example, and regardless of how you feel about it, there were mass delusions on both sides (still are) during the Trump presidency. Those of us 'outside the network' long ago figured out that red and blue play for the same team and weren't affected by it. Similarly, there is the mass delusion that a certain event in September 2001 happened exactly how CNN said it did. There has been as much work done by 'the resistance' on that event as there has been for covid. For whatever reason, some of the folks 'outside the network' never took that work seriously like they do regarding the current covid hysteria.
i dont think it will work for most people. there is too much anger. they did everything right. played by the rules. and now? reminds me of Sadaam and WMD. i knew 1 person , ONE, who owned his mistake in falling for that lie.
You and I would have fallen into it if we sat where they sat within the network. Never think otherwise.
i dont know that i agree with that. some people are just contrarian. since i was a young'un i didnt follow the herd. i was difficult and logical from a very young age. i read somewhere that about 20% of the population cant be hypnotised and i think that seems to add up with what we saw, maybe nearer 30%
In logic, "a false premise implies everything".
In the case of your general claim throughout your analysis of the (post March 2020) mass formation and your related claims about the Hitler + Stalin + Mao etc. mass formations, I submit that you've accepted a false premise: that Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. arose spontaneously and were not golems created by conscious, psychopathic players who operate behind the scenes.
It took more than a year, but the analysis of the origins of the Hitlerian mass formation by Miles Mathis http://mileswmathis.com/hiller.pdf eventually persuaded me that we are dealing with some master manipulators here, and that we won't respond appropriately unless we have an accurate map.
I do agree with you that most of the players are blinded by the network that surrounds them, unconscious of the deeper context within which the Narrative is embedded. Hitler may not even have known. He may have been a useful idiot. (Or maybe he and his entourage were actors, as Miles Mathis hypothesizes).
Those who installed Hitler and who's plans were advanced by the deeds attributed to Hitler are an elephant in the room, no?
On the other hand... "moral panic" isn't a novel concept, and faulting opponents for engaging in it isn't new. Covid hysterics tend to be into other trendy demons and hobgoblins ("system racism" etc.). The reiteration of that pattern of behavior in different, unrelated contexts surely makes the criticism more credible, not less so.
After coming across the proposal of mass formation I asked myself what if that is what I and the side I am on are subject to, our own mass formation. I don't believe that we are but that is what I can see people on the other side would say and may be telling each other already, that we are the deluded ones.
I would argue there have been plenty of mass delusions and this isn't anything new. Using politics as an example, and regardless of how you feel about it, there were mass delusions on both sides (still are) during the Trump presidency. Those of us 'outside the network' long ago figured out that red and blue play for the same team and weren't affected by it. Similarly, there is the mass delusion that a certain event in September 2001 happened exactly how CNN said it did. There has been as much work done by 'the resistance' on that event as there has been for covid. For whatever reason, some of the folks 'outside the network' never took that work seriously like they do regarding the current covid hysteria.