I listened to your John Cullen interview. Do you really think you could have easily been in the same covid hysteria boat with this guy Mark, if your life had been taken you down a slightly different path? I think you said something along those lines.
I think I could have told you with near perfect accuracy, before covid happened, who in my personal sphere would be susceptible to a mass propaganda campaign and who would not.
For myself, my default network was the mainstream. They had every opportunity to win me over. By asking myself very simple questions based on my very limited knowledge of medicine, I could tell by March 2020 that my default network was fraudulent; so I made an active effort to find a new network of people that were at least attempting to address the major questions that were being ignored by the mainstream.
I think there is a group of probably low-trust people that excel at identifying inconsistencies within their network and are open to "outsider" information and I think you are one of them. I think in ~95 out of 100 possible versions of Mark Changizi, you would have seen the glitch in the Matrix.
"I think I could have told you with near perfect accuracy, before covid happened, who in my personal sphere would be susceptible to a mass propaganda campaign and who would not." Interesting. I recognized this as a con from the get-go, and still am not entirely sure why I wasn't taken in, although there were some pieces of evidence that I was able to recognize because I'd been watching the developing irrationality of many friends especially since 2016 and I was aware of some facts that I think many weren't.
Still, I was stunned and blindsided that most of my friends and family completely bought in and were even supportive of some of the most fascist policies, people I would never have expected to. I was less surprised by those who had bought in hard to the Russiagate nonsense and who suffered from Trump Derangement Syndrome, but even friends who were immune to those two ailments, who had been deeply skeptical of government institutions and the media for decades, fell hook, line and sinker for the narrative and were impervious to any discussion, reasoning or information.
I'm working on overcoming my anger and deep bitterness towards them and wonder if I can every fully forgive their willful blindness and smug willingness to be collaborators in such evil, or whether, when and if they wake up, I can ever really trust them again. I hear all the time we need to be compassionate towards these people. Oh, I'll welcome them with open arms if they come around to the truth and do all I can to be patient in helping them awaken, but "compassion"? Maybe not so much, simply tolerance and a measure of forgiveness, most likely, sadly, intermingled with a certain distrust for the future that may never go away.
My mental leap of disappointment through covid went from "These people on TV have no problem lying, stealing and grifting for power and money" to "These people on TV don't care whatsoever about my misery, hate my guts and would rather watch us die then repent. Some portion of them would take joy in my suffering/death and some are knowingly murderers."
The folks that I personally saw get suckered most by the propaganda started at, "These people on TV mean well, do their best to make the world a better place, and are looking out for me. They get things wrong sometimes." They also thought, "I'm part of a tribe and my tribe are the good guys!" The leap it would take to see the truth was just too large, so they just stayed where they were rather than change. My leap was painful. Their leap would be near-impossible.
All the people that I know personally who I would have guessed pre-covid would have resisted the propaganda were already disillusioned with politics and their representatives. I assume your Republican buddies that bought the covid lies viewed Trump as "Their guy." Trump was the central figure pushing the covid nonsense, so in some sense to reject the lies would be to reject Trump.
My father-in-law took 2 covid shots and soon after got a new extreme cancer. He died from cancer a month after his booster. He shunned his daughter until his death bed, and viewed us as "murderers" for not vaccinating. To my surviving Mother-in-Law, they are still the "good guys" in this drama, having made all the right plays while we blew it every step of the way.
The same Mother-in-Law assisted with the forced reclusion of her own mother, who quickly withered into nothing in her old folks home. Grandma made constant 911 calls out of loneliness until she died. My Mother-in-Law can see that what happened was sad, but the mental leap she would need accomplish to make my position her own is too much. It just won't happen. Ever.
Yeah, my family will now always be in my mind the people that killed themselves and others and quasi-destroyed their own family at the government's request (lol), but I guess it is what it is. In some sense, they did their best with what they thought they knew. It doesn't do me much good to be angry about it.
I agree it does me no good to be angry, besides spurring me to act, but getting beyond it isn’t always easy. And btw, most of my friends who weren’t taken in by Russiagate or TDS were on the left. Believe it or not, there were a lot of lefties who weren’t afflicted by those ills, but they still weren’t immune to covid insanity.
“…a certain mistrust for the future that may never go away.” - that encapsulates how I feel. My eyes were opened and I can’t unsee the reality of the fragility of society, the power of mass propaganda, followed by the cover-up of mass amnesia. The children are going to be in serious trouble growing up in such morally bankrupt societies. It does not bode well for the future.
I listened to your John Cullen interview. Do you really think you could have easily been in the same covid hysteria boat with this guy Mark, if your life had been taken you down a slightly different path? I think you said something along those lines.
I think I could have told you with near perfect accuracy, before covid happened, who in my personal sphere would be susceptible to a mass propaganda campaign and who would not.
Indeed. We ALL believe what we believe largely by virtue of the network around us. (That wouldn’t have excused me.)
For myself, my default network was the mainstream. They had every opportunity to win me over. By asking myself very simple questions based on my very limited knowledge of medicine, I could tell by March 2020 that my default network was fraudulent; so I made an active effort to find a new network of people that were at least attempting to address the major questions that were being ignored by the mainstream.
I think there is a group of probably low-trust people that excel at identifying inconsistencies within their network and are open to "outsider" information and I think you are one of them. I think in ~95 out of 100 possible versions of Mark Changizi, you would have seen the glitch in the Matrix.
Mayyybe. But, in 95 of 100 versions of me, I would probably have steered my life to be aloof.
"I think I could have told you with near perfect accuracy, before covid happened, who in my personal sphere would be susceptible to a mass propaganda campaign and who would not." Interesting. I recognized this as a con from the get-go, and still am not entirely sure why I wasn't taken in, although there were some pieces of evidence that I was able to recognize because I'd been watching the developing irrationality of many friends especially since 2016 and I was aware of some facts that I think many weren't.
Still, I was stunned and blindsided that most of my friends and family completely bought in and were even supportive of some of the most fascist policies, people I would never have expected to. I was less surprised by those who had bought in hard to the Russiagate nonsense and who suffered from Trump Derangement Syndrome, but even friends who were immune to those two ailments, who had been deeply skeptical of government institutions and the media for decades, fell hook, line and sinker for the narrative and were impervious to any discussion, reasoning or information.
I'm working on overcoming my anger and deep bitterness towards them and wonder if I can every fully forgive their willful blindness and smug willingness to be collaborators in such evil, or whether, when and if they wake up, I can ever really trust them again. I hear all the time we need to be compassionate towards these people. Oh, I'll welcome them with open arms if they come around to the truth and do all I can to be patient in helping them awaken, but "compassion"? Maybe not so much, simply tolerance and a measure of forgiveness, most likely, sadly, intermingled with a certain distrust for the future that may never go away.
My mental leap of disappointment through covid went from "These people on TV have no problem lying, stealing and grifting for power and money" to "These people on TV don't care whatsoever about my misery, hate my guts and would rather watch us die then repent. Some portion of them would take joy in my suffering/death and some are knowingly murderers."
The folks that I personally saw get suckered most by the propaganda started at, "These people on TV mean well, do their best to make the world a better place, and are looking out for me. They get things wrong sometimes." They also thought, "I'm part of a tribe and my tribe are the good guys!" The leap it would take to see the truth was just too large, so they just stayed where they were rather than change. My leap was painful. Their leap would be near-impossible.
All the people that I know personally who I would have guessed pre-covid would have resisted the propaganda were already disillusioned with politics and their representatives. I assume your Republican buddies that bought the covid lies viewed Trump as "Their guy." Trump was the central figure pushing the covid nonsense, so in some sense to reject the lies would be to reject Trump.
My father-in-law took 2 covid shots and soon after got a new extreme cancer. He died from cancer a month after his booster. He shunned his daughter until his death bed, and viewed us as "murderers" for not vaccinating. To my surviving Mother-in-Law, they are still the "good guys" in this drama, having made all the right plays while we blew it every step of the way.
The same Mother-in-Law assisted with the forced reclusion of her own mother, who quickly withered into nothing in her old folks home. Grandma made constant 911 calls out of loneliness until she died. My Mother-in-Law can see that what happened was sad, but the mental leap she would need accomplish to make my position her own is too much. It just won't happen. Ever.
Yeah, my family will now always be in my mind the people that killed themselves and others and quasi-destroyed their own family at the government's request (lol), but I guess it is what it is. In some sense, they did their best with what they thought they knew. It doesn't do me much good to be angry about it.
I agree it does me no good to be angry, besides spurring me to act, but getting beyond it isn’t always easy. And btw, most of my friends who weren’t taken in by Russiagate or TDS were on the left. Believe it or not, there were a lot of lefties who weren’t afflicted by those ills, but they still weren’t immune to covid insanity.
“…a certain mistrust for the future that may never go away.” - that encapsulates how I feel. My eyes were opened and I can’t unsee the reality of the fragility of society, the power of mass propaganda, followed by the cover-up of mass amnesia. The children are going to be in serious trouble growing up in such morally bankrupt societies. It does not bode well for the future.
He hasn't broken free of it yet.
But he's closer than he was.
Agreed.
Hey! Watch it! I've done both.
I have a pretty impressive spatula collection.
I've also never taken any of the Coof-jabs.